Forced to buy insurance they don't need

After 35 years Washington residents learn they're in flood plain

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Even though there's never been any flooding in the area, FEMA says this house in Washington sits on a flood plain.

By Marc Strauss

The Illinois River is rising again. But in the Rolling Meadows subdivision in Washington, Robert Gaul and his mother Gean don't have to worry about flooding. Or do they?

"According to FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) I do," Robert Gaul told News 25. "Since 1986 they've had this as a flood zone, even though to my knowledge, and after checking into the history, there's never been a flood in this area."

Then suddenly, last month, the Gaul's received a letter from the bank that holds the mortgage on both of their houses requiring them to purchase flood insurance. For Robert's house it will cost $670. For Gean, whose house has a basemant, $900.

"This is crazy," protested Gean Gaul, who owns the house next door to son Robert. "Where are they coming up with this?"

The Gaul's have lived in their neighborhood for 35 years and were stunned to learn the federal government considers them in a flood plain.

Robert decided to contact city hall in Washington to find out what, if anything, they can do about it.

"When I talked to the man from the city of Washington I think he was kind of astounded. He said there's a one–percent chance in 100 years that we could have a flood here."

Jon Oliphant is Washington's Planning and Development Director. He says there is something the Gaul's can do.

"If they want to attempt to take their property out of the flood plain they would have to have a survey done," said Oliphant. "Then you have to submit what's called a letter of amendment to FEMA to formally have it taken out of the flood plain. If that happens they don't have to pay the flood plain insurance."

But the Gaul's say a land survey would cost them more than $2,000. And even then, there's no guarantee FEMA would change the flood plane status of their property. In the meantime, they're flooded with two insurance bills totaling almost $1,700.

Wednesday, Nov 11 at 12:04 PM Dave C wrote ...

Wells Fargo wants me to pay $1185 per year. I am tired of paying this and am wondering what would happen if I just told them to stick it. There are plenty of short sales going on, anybody out there that has just flat out refused to pay? What will they do, kick my family out of our house?

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Friday, Nov 6 at 9:45 AM To 'Jon' wrote ...

I am in agreement with you about some of the mortgage companies. Yes, there were a lot of shady dealings going on, but most of them are out of the business. Unfortunately, there are still some left out there who will do and say anything to make a buck. Believe me, I've seen them in action and it's not pretty. If you want a good deal on a mortgage, you need to go to a reputable financial institution, NOT a mortgage company.

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Friday, Nov 6 at 7:20 AM Jon wrote ...

Mortgage company's are a scam ...They were just as much to blame for the housing crash as anyone else .... One place yes to a loan another says no your in a flood plain Hmmmmmm? All the while the line there pockets with GOLD $$$$$$$

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Friday, Nov 6 at 6:57 AM Part 3 wrote ...

Robert, I know how you feel. I live next to a creek that hasn't flooded in 48 years and if it does flood, I-74 would be under water. My flood insurance is more than my homeowners' with 4x the deductible. I don't think folks would complain about paying it if it weren't so darn expensive. But, alas, we get stuck paying the bill for those irresponsible folks who want a bailout when their homes flood.

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Friday, Nov 6 at 6:56 AM To 'real estate guru' Part 2 wrote ...

I would like to know how it's possible to have conflicting info between software programs if they are all supposed to be using the same FEMA maps. There is some shady business going on with some of the mortgage lenders in this area. Funny thing is...this client's house ended up flooding when we had the horribly torrential downpours last year and he isn't even near a creek!!! Sometimes it does pay to play it safe.

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Friday, Nov 6 at 6:53 AM To 'real estate guru' wrote ...

FYI..there are different software programs available showing the FEMA zones. Believe it or not, I have seen conflicting information between different software programs. I have been in the mortgage business a while and work for a very reputable financial institution. I actually had a situation where a client went to another bank because our software showed he was in a flood zone and theirs did not (I think they were lying just to get the business).

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 11:26 PM Jon wrote ...

Bend over river rat's obama has something for you

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 10:03 PM real estate guru wrote ...

BTW robert - EVERYTHING, IS A "FEMA ZONE". but there are different FEMA zones. A, B, C, X, etc., etc., . . .. Flood zone "C" does not require insurance. Flood zone "A" does. they are saying you are in an "A". you are not, you are in a "C" - no ins required. tell your lender or your insurance agent they are wrong. again, they will side on flood zone to cover themselves and their investment. they dont care about you or how much it costs you!

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 9:53 PM real estate guru wrote ...

no offense robert, but your post at 6:51 tells me you either have no idea what you are talking about or you are being given the wrong information by someone who doesnt know what they are talking about. if you can be open-minded and listen to me and anonymous, we can save you from having to pay flood insurance. or, you can stand your ground and keep arguing with a 20-year full-time real estate professional and pay flood insurance that isnt needed. i really dont care either way.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 9:41 PM real estate guru wrote ...

robert - switching lenders IS and option in this situation. TRUST ME. I KNOW. the decision about the flood zone is an interpretaion. whoever is saying your house is in a flood zone is wrong. i have seen many people leave one lender and go to another over something like this, and the interpretation changes. many times if the bank is using an appraiser, the determination can be up to an appraiser. i use the same software they use, and my software says you are in flood zone "c" - no ins req.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 9:22 PM Anonymous wrote ...

If you look at the FEMA map you are not in the flood zone. None of the houses on Northridge are in the flood zone according to the map. Maybe you need to print the map and show it to the mortgage company.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 7:39 PM Consider firing your mortgage lender! wrote ...

RE: RG's 6:51 p.m. comment----I wasn't aware of that. I urge you to obey the law! I also urge you to verify your info. to make sure it's correct. You might check with other lenders, FEMA, etc. If your own lender told you that, I wouldn't just rely on their word. Unfortunately, some lenders would tell you that hoping you'll just pay the bill. They gain by keeping you as a paying customer. You lose by paying for insurance you don't need. Bottom line: Be a smart consumer who obeys the law!

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 6:51 PM Robert Gaul wrote ...

Any lender will require this type of flood insurance if you are in the "FEMA Zone". It is federal law, so switching mortgage companies is not an option for anyone in this situation.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 6:42 PM Consider firing your mortgage lender! wrote ...

Is your bank forcing this as part of the terms of your mortgage? If so, you might make a couple phone calls to ask if they'll drop this requirement. If they won't, you might consider shopping for a new lender. Perhaps a local lender who knows the area (e.g. a communicty bank, CEFCU, or similar) would not require such foolishness.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 5:44 PM real estate guru wrote ...

robert - the house in question, is it on 2--2 northr----? if it is, my flood zone software says your house is NOT in a flood zone. i also went to the FEMA website online and looked at your map. your house may be right on the edge of a flood zone, but i agree with my software, you are NOT in a flood zone. hope this helps. good luck.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 5:30 PM real estate guru wrote ...

robert - is the property in question on northr----? if it is, my flood zone software says you are NOT in a flood zone.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 5:17 PM real estate guru wrote ...

not all of these data services that the banks subscribe to are accurate. for instance, the USPS says the town with zip code 61607 is peoria. (its bartonville). FEMA maps are available onlince. look at the map, and verify for yourself. dispute it. the banks will always lean on the side of 'flood zone' to cover their investment and their own interests first.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 4:44 PM Rita Kalman wrote ...

What a bunch of nonsense. People are out of work & losing homes, cars etc. & someone has time to stir up nonsense. Maybe you need to try to talk to Aaron Shock. He seems to be level headed. someone should be able to help.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 4:31 PM Robert Gaul wrote ...

If I lived by a river or stream, then yes I agree flood insurance should be required. The whole point is that I do not, and there has never been a flood issue with my property. FEMA needs to get some common sense.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 4:22 PM Lookinfornuts wrote ...

To Iamthewalrus , you need to step away from the Fox news ,everything that happens is a conspiracy theory to you nutjobs .Probably be a law ol W enacted , which will then be ok

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 4:19 PM Downward Spiral wrote ...

Shouldn't the town of Washington have been notified back in '86?And if they were,why weren't the residents of this so called flood plane informed back in '86? Hmmm?Why wait til now to change the land status,and who else is affected?Surely these two people aren't the only one's in this flood plane.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 4:05 PM FEMA calls it wrote ...

If your property is in a FEMA determined flood zone, too bad, you have to get the insurance. Sounds to me like that bank should be underinvestigation from FEMA as well as FDIC for not checking the FEMA flood maps before closing on the loan tp://www.floodsmart.gov/floodsmart/

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 4:00 PM iamthewalrus wrote ...

Big government at work protecting you from you. Universal healthcare is next. What a joke

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 3:57 PM crazycharlie wrote ...

and the people of washington think they can run a health care system

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 3:56 PM Why Do I Have to Pay if Your House Floods? wrote ...

Flood insurance laws were enacted to protect citizens who wished to live on flood plains. If it has been that way since 1986, then why have they gotten away with not having it until now.

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Thursday, Nov 5 at 3:48 PM Wow. wrote ...

That is just crazy, it should be up to the home owner on what insurance he thinks he needs...

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